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Copyright: Bayram Gocmen (boreocypriensis) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 6774 W: 207 N: 2989] (9571)
Genre: Animals
Média: Couleur
Date de prise de vue: 2010-03-28
Catégories: Reptiles
Appareil photographique: Nikon D-5000, Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3 EX DG APO HSM, @ ISO 600
Exposition: f/10.0, 1/1600 secondes
Versions: version originale, Workshop
Thème(s): Turkish Herpetofauna, Soap Bubble [view contributor(s)]
Date de soumission: 2010-04-20 1:11
Vue: 7971
Favoris: 2 [voir]
Points: 85
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Anatololacerta oertzeni finikensis (Oertzen’s Lizard) [in Turk. Örtzen Kertenkelesi]

A young boy of Oertzen’s lizard while basking on a rock. See also attached WS showing it from an another POV:)

When temperature rises, they can be found climbing onto rocks or tree barks, where sitting with their mouth open, which seems to help the thermoregulation. During their basking, if they notice some pursuiting case or a female in their environments, this lizard lift up their head and anterior body, and make "waving" movements with front legs as you can see here:)

As a member of TN at least approx. 3 years, I encountered an unusual and also ”meaningless” comment --at least in my view- from a new member (mwmod99) of TN. You can reach some correspondings following the related subject and some comments writen by an old and “GREAT” photographer of TN. I am sure you could understand and evaluate this situation why I gave this title to my post!

1. The comment
2. my reply
3. my feedback comment and a fabricated comment by an other GREAT member of TN
4. What a contradiction!

Hahaha…. In this way, since I exactly believe that I contributed this site at least with so many 1st uploadings, sharing of my knowledge on especially herpetology, I proud of myself. At this point, I am wondering that such kind comments/critiques how improve our international nature photography and relationships in a peaceful world?

Finaly, just a reminding! with a play back announce:)

"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me":)

May be this lizard beauty also say the same epigram using his front legs

TFL and Have a nice day!

©Bayram GÖÇMEN, All Rights Reserved.

Please see one of my previous shots to read more about this Anatolian (Lycian region) endemic.

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Çok güzel bir fotoğraf ve netlik süper..Ayrıca sağ ön ayağını kaldırdığı anda çok güzel yakalamışsınız sanki bay bay yapar gibi duruyor:)) Elinize ve emeğinize sağlık hocam...

If someone find the herptiles and your estimable amazing knowledge on herpetology as boring, he/she can look the others' post which he/she can find atractive. He/she has to show respect the others' comments!!!

Hahaha... yine bir harika davranış biyolojisi dersi. Arkadaş küstahlığının ötesinde halt etmiş, aldığınız yorumlara bakan O'nun bazılarınca kışkırtıldığını ve üzerinize salındığını çok rahat algılayabilir! Bunun altında yatan neden o kadar kısa süre içerisinde en gözde TN üyesi halini almanızdan, haliyle kıskançlıktan kaynaklanıyor olsa gerek:) Sıkıcı duruma rağmen bu sataşmayı yine incelik ve beyfendiliğinizden kaybetmeden, oldukça eğlenceli bir mizah ile iğnelemişsiniz. Cuk oturmuş hocam.
Elinize ve emeklerinize sağlık.
Sevgi ve saygılarımla.

I still like you a lot, I like your teachings, your postings and the person who you are.
Your Oertzen’s Lizard seen from behind is a great point of view which shows the legs its back from above, and the size and shape of the incredible paws. Thanks for sharing my friend. Best regards.

Merhaba Bayram hocam,

Çok mükemmel bir çekim ve bu çekim vesilesi ile, hem herpetoloji adına hem de psikoloji adına çok güzel bir davranış dersi vermişsiniz.
Elinize, emeğinize ve yüreğinize sağlık.

Selam ve saygılarımla,

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  • nkasot Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Note Writer [C: 273 W: 0 N: 44] (217)
  • [2010-04-20 2:30]
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Bayram hocam, enfes bir çalışma daha ve türün dvaranışı ile ilgili çok güzel açıklayıcı notlar. Kimlerin bu tip insanları dikkate aldığı yorumlara bakılınca çok anlaşılıyor. Kıbrıslılığı da hazmedemeyen kıskanç ve ezik kişilikler her yerde. Ekmek yediği çanağa tükürenler dahil...
Emeğinize sağlık. Saygılarımla.

Hi Bayram, do not be angry, the world is beautiful because is various... the varied widely criticized as long as they remain civil and respectful, are always welcome and I served much to improve, always appreciate the sincere people and I prefer those at unuseful and friendly comments.Then decide who is right is another thing .. hehe .. thanks for this different point of view of the lizard, the quality is not questionable! Have a nice day, Luciano

Hi Bayram
Wonderful "young boy of Oertzen’s lizard" today!
Perfect details and colores!
Great light too!

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  • PeterZ Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5099 W: 166 N: 13042] (48618)
  • [2010-04-20 3:09]

Hello Bayram,
Excellent sharp detailed photo in beautiful light and colours. Good POV and composition.

Hi Bayram

Fear not my friend, you ARE a great contributor to this site. Your reptile shots in particular will be invaluable for any person commencing an interest in herpetology from the Mediterranean region for decades to come. Don't worry about a single negative comment, rejoyce in the thousands of positive ones you've had over the years. And I bet you will make more friends on TN than he does.
Cool shot of this young lizard peeking over teh top of the rock. Good POV and sharpness as usual.

best wishes my friend

Ciao BBB. A good eye can see you've posted another jewel of light and colours. Razor details and intrigant POV. So says Luciano: do not be angry MF!


Hello Bayram,
another excellent lizard view with sharp details, beautifull colors and light and believe me not boring at all, well done MF,
best regards,

hello dear professor Bayram (smile)

your photos are among the most beautifuls of TN,
and your photos with the long notes you give with
are the most educationnels, you are the most versatile
photographer of TN and i am very honest when i am
writting it Bayram, this photo it shows your love
for nature photography and your talent for always
to do excellent and beautiful photos, TFS

have a nice day


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  • foozi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 2791 W: 0 N: 6695] (25837)
  • [2010-04-20 5:37]
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Merhaba MF Prof. Bayram,
ooh ooh this is not good.It is not the lizard or you. It is after reading such a comment. I personally appreciate all nature capture. I appreciate them, but giving a perfect shot or a stunning one is not the only purpose.
We do not know the process of taking the photograph, researching for the information, even the ID is not that easy for me.
That is why I appreciate the work people sent.
This is to show you how useful each and every shot uploaded.
I can see different animals, flowers, birds, etc all over the world.
sharing photos here is such a great sacrifice, as people could snatch it,,,but we did as we want to share the world's beauty as much as we share the sunlight, the air and the beauty. I salute you for the work you did.
Keep on sharing, like what you do now.....
A beautiful lizard in lovely position and glance.


Ciao amico Bayram, don't worry for bad comment, your lizard are so beautiful:), great POV on this one, splendid sharpness, wonderful natural colors and fine details, very well done my friend, ciao Silvio

Hola Bayram.

The main reason why I am here in TN is to learn from all living beings on our planet right through the information given to us in each of the photos. On occasions I find beautiful pictures without any additional information about it, in others the picture quality is not to good, but it leave much to be learned, and I think that is more valuable.
In other words I have learn a lot from Your beautiful photos and great notes You write.
Thank You My friend.


I am glad you feel proud of yourself, Big Bro, 'coz we all are very proud of you and what you've shown and taught us, your TN family here, through your beautiful photography.
But please remember, one man's food can be another man's poison.
So please dont get angry with this person.You're the best, and perhaps also the most loved member here!
Now, this shot is an amazing shot!I love the POV you've chosen which is unique and brings out a very different perspective!
very well done!

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  • pilonm Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 588 W: 90 N: 975] (3321)
  • [2010-04-20 10:00]
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Hello Bayram,

What can I say my dear boring friend ;-) Maybe to continue to bore us so well :-) I'm personally dreaming of the days where every member of TN will bore us as good as you do!!!

You know Bayram, we can't please everyone. Don't be affected by one stupid comment. The most interesting thing is to be proud of what we've done. And you can be proud of this picture (and the other you showed us in the previous post).

I really like this one and you managed very well with this little aperture (f/10) in order to get the whole lizard in focus. Excellent POV and exposition management. I'm wandering if by applying a rotation about 45 degree would have been a good idea (by creating a diagonal line with the body of the lizard).

Thank you Bayram, for sharing this image with us and don't bother with useless comments... :-)



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  • zulfu Gold Star Critiquer [C: 685 W: 0 N: 2] (43)
  • [2010-04-20 10:34]
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Bayram hocam bu karede çifte ders var! Alan alır.
Her zaman bir iyi öğretmen vardır bir de kötü! Bazıları kendini GREAT sansa da ne kadar basit olduğunu da gösterir. Siz kibarca en güzelini yapmışsınız! Birkez daha hocam olduğunuz için onur duydum! Saygılarımla.

hello Bayram
i like this pose ,with good details and great sharpness
beautiful colours and nice light
i want more members so as you on TN
with so good information of the NATURE
and great picture,s of differend species
I like the picture,s very much
greeting lou

Marhaba Marhaba for both "professor" and to the capture, the trekking lizard appears lovely great pov.


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  • bedri Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 111 W: 0 N: 237] (1284)
  • [2010-04-20 12:40]

Değişik açıda harika olmuş Bayram hocam, netlik ve pozlama çok iyi. Emeğine ellerine sağlık, selamlar saygılar..

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  • siggi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3097 W: 109 N: 12399] (52850)
  • [2010-04-20 13:22]

Hello MF Bayram.
Another excellent composition of this Lizard.
Very fine closeup in great sharpness, real colour and superb details.Very well done and notes.Best regards Siggi

Merhaba sevgili arkadaşım,
Sorry for this late critique. I'm just back home now. This young boy is so handsome and so real on my screen. We could almost touch him. What a nice pattern on his skin! The constrast and sharpness are incredible.
You know how I like your contributions on TN in terms of quality of photography, of well documented notes and, last but not least, of friendship.
Elinize sağlık!İyi uykular,

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  • jaycee Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2454 W: 10 N: 8044] (25460)
  • [2010-04-20 16:31]


Boring and sulking??? I don't think so. You got me interested in a whole new world through your wonderful pictures and exceptional notes. You are probably the most beloved person on TN and you would be wrong to waste time and energy on one negative personality. This Lizard is wonderful and I laughed when I noticed the front leg.


Hello my dear and boring Bayram!
Fortunately you have stopped the pictures of "young ladies lizards" to shoot today a "young boy lizard" ... This may be more complicated! ... but I do not follow, breaking my head with it! ha ha ha :)... Go on showing us these great lizards accompanied by very good photographic technique and excellent documents! good job! ... Greetings, thanks for sharing MF!

Hi Beyram
you are one of a kind.
You are well educated Professor with great knowledge on herpetology, no question about that.

But always on the defend when it's not going your way, like this post. Really bad behavior.

Sulky means you aways pay back when you got one point or less.
A really bad behavior. You don't like a decent comments.
And shall we go on.
You said you read Ivans new intro and agree what he wrote but did you understand the words?
More than 50% of your postings are dedications. Pointhunting?
I took my time to read ALL you critiques since you start,
never a decent and honest comments, always praises. Pointhunting?
And your own points celebrations?

It's time you start a new attitude to TN and start to act like
the well educated man you are.


Dear Professor,
I may used some harsh words to judge your previous submission, but I still believe that after so may years you can learn allot from " younger" members here in TN few tricks about photography! This current image in my opinion also does not have much photographic values! Wrong camera angle, inappropriate cropping, too deep shadows around the eyes in my opinion,.. just an average work here Bayran in my view!
You need also to cool a bit, I am talking about a picture here, not your kind personality !
Best Regards,
George Veltchev

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  • cirano Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 997 W: 0 N: 944] (13609)
  • [2010-04-21 2:25]

Neler olmuş burada:)
Türün davranışı ve sırt ile kafa detayları açısından oldukça iyi bir örnek olmuş.
Ellerine sağlık.

Hello Bayram! Amazing POV and DOF. Perfect exposure and capture. Superb light and colours. Good note. Original work. Well done!

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  • MMM Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1114 W: 0 N: 2546] (11425)
  • [2010-04-21 6:15]
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Hi Bayram
Nice closed up.Sharp image and good skin detail.I also like the lizar and stone colors.Even if will stay neutral in the controversy that seem to be happening I would like to say that every members in TN old or new to bring something constructive in many different ways like beautiful image supported by exif that help us to understand how the picture was made it also bring thing like new species ,excellent text that help us understand species habit and so on.In your case you make me discovert a world that I,m not familiar with due to the lack of reptile in my province.Your image always give me a good view of the related speccies and your text are always first class.

Bonsoir mon ami Bayram,

Excellente prise de vue, la position est remarquable et au vue de sa patte levée, je pense que la pierre est chaude et ainsi il fait en alternance levé! baissé! et passe à l'autre patte.
Grande luminosité sur le sujet.
Merci pour ce cliché fantastique.

PS : J'espère que ma critique ne sera pas mise en comments comme sur TL. comme pour vous je l'ai remarqué.
Ici sur TN je ne trouve plus vos photos à lire, que se passe t'il ???

Amitiés sincères.

Merhaba Bayram Hocam

Öncelikle tavsiyeleriniz için teşekkürler. Biraz renkliliği seviyorum. Fotoğraf ile ilgili olarak ise her zamanki gibi mükemmel bir çekim olmuş. Detaylar harika.Söylenecek pek bir şey yok. Güzel bir de poz vermiş. Ellerinize ve emeğinize sağlık. TFS.


Merhaba Bayram
I am shocked ! where are all your beautiful shots ? i will missing them so much, some of them was my favorite and now they have disapeared
this morning, my cat Noisette is dead and now that !!, it's a bad day for me,
i hope you will stay on TN and re-post your most beautiful shots
you have so many friends here on TN (like me) who appreciate your images, it's not important if one member do not like them,
for me, you are one of the best TN member, your subjects and your notes are superb and very interesting
Have a good night

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  • tuslaw Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2740 W: 280 N: 4919] (19859)
  • [2010-04-22 18:02]

Hello Bayram,
A great close-up of this little lizard showing excellent detail and natural colors. The waving movement it makes with it's feet is very interesting and can easily be seen in this shot.
We don't have lizards like this in Ohio, but I love to watch them whenever I make a trip out west. I vividly remember watching one with a blue abdomen which made some unusual body movements. Whenever I got close it would raise itself up on all four legs and act like it was doing push-ups. I will always remember this strange sight, and have wondered many times what it's purpose was.

Your postings are always the most educative ones here in TN, isn't it the aim of this platform? Nobody can say that they are boring. Your posting can easily create a guidebook. But anyway, just keep calm, this is the best.
Best regards,

Ciao MF Bayram,
i fully agree with this concept: "A good man is always a beginner! - always willing to learn".
Have a good weekend
Ciao Maurizio

Hi Bayram,

Wonderful picture of this lizard, definitely not boring :).
The detail is very good and I like how the tail and body is acting as a lead in line to the head. Nice colours as well.
Great capture and TFS


Hi little bro Bayram,

I read it all above and you're also gone from TN.
I have ben left TN for 4 weeks ago.
Nice piture from this beautiful Lizard with good detail.

Fine colours.
A pity you have left TN withyour good notes and we all can learning from your knowledge.

greetz Gert

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  • loot Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5551 W: 721 N: 4164] (11276)
  • [2010-04-28 23:21]
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Hi Bayram

It is a sad day indeed.

TrekNature received a major blow and it is at the loosing end of this very unfortunate
and avoidable battle. I am not going to pick sides here as there are many angles to every
argument, but it really saddens me that we have lost a major contribution and a wealth of
irreplaceable natural material. You were for sure the biggest contributor towards this site's
herpetological images. With time your portfolio also covered fields of entomology, botany, and
ornithology too. It would be sad to perhaps loose you as a friend as well should you decide to
leave the site all together.

Sometimes things are said and done that leaves all parties with a bitter taste in the mouth, but
many times it was never that harshly intended. Unfortunately through this impersonal and
cold media called cyber space we often see how communication turns sour simply because
people cannot properly talk about a certain aspect of disagreement and sort out the issue at
hand before too much damage is done.

What’s been done has been done in this case and unfortunately we do not have a magic wand
to undo it, but I hope that the binding force of our love of nature can help us to try and avoid
these unnecessary incidents on this wonderful site in future.

Thanks for everything that you have taught me and meant to me personally these past 3 years.

Take care my friend and best regards.

PS. Even my themed series for "RARE or SIGNIFICANT contributions to TN" has
taken a serious blow as you had so many TrekNature 1st contributions. A real pity.

Hello Bayram,
Due to work pressure I have not been present on TN for some time and I'm sad to see that you have removed your valuable contribution to TN
I have the impression that your comments on some members' photos have sometimes been too kind and were not appreciated by some people!
Please don't bother and come back with your excellent material
By the way this photo and note are excellent as usual
Kind regards

Hello Bayram,

I'm back again from a longer trip to Asia - and now I'm a little sad and shocked to read what was going on here during that time.
I'm happy you haven't quit here - but I'm sad that all of your wonderful shots have gone ...
I also can't understand why people talk to each other in such a way, it's a wonderful site here, everybody can learn from the other, everybody is looking to present interesting shots - and if someone don't like it - no problem, I can decide myself if I write a critique or not.
So don't be gutted about some members, better be happy that so many other love you, like I do ;-)

Your Lizard here is very pretty - and I know it's not easy to get close to them - I saw many in Burma and Thailand, but never had a good chance to make a good shot ;-( And I saw realy big ones, one was about 40 cm long and with many dark spots on the body - but I had no camera with me, so sad ;-(.

Enjoy the sunday,
greetings from the rainy Germany


Sayın hocam yaklaşık 10 gündür samsunda cernek kuş halkalama istasyonundaydım internet imkanını henüz bulabildim,
Bütün fotoğraflarınızı silmeniz beni çok üzdü hatta birazda kızdırdı.
Ben sizin yaşadıklarınızı anlayamadığım için saygı duyuyorum.
Profilinizdeki yeni bilgilerin hepsini okudum gerçekten mükemmel. Harika cümleler içeriyor.
Hocam altın herzaman altındır.
Güneşe göz kapamakla gece olunmaz gözünü kapayan yalnız kendine gece yapar.
Dilerim gözlerim sizden hiç ayrılmaz.
En güzel dileklerimle hoşcakalın.

Sevgili kardesim.
Resimlerini sildigine o kadar cok uzuldum ki birdaha TN deki resimlere bakmak gelmedi icimden...Eskisi gibi zamanim da yok internete girmek icin..Bu aksam biraz zamanim olurolmaz icimden bir ses bak dedi..Nasil sevindim senin fotograflari gorunce anlatamam...Welcome back. Muthis bir kompozisyon...Netlik ve poz acisindan bir numara...
Ellerine ve beynine saglik....Sevgiler.

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  • eng55 Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1256 W: 42 N: 1976] (5892)
  • [2010-05-14 8:27]
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Merhaba Dostum,
Uzun bir süredir TN'e bakamıyordum.Eski fotograflarını sildiğini farkedince inanamadım.Bir pire için yorgan yakmışsın,gerçi pireye de hakaret etmeyelim:)Senin TN'deki sayfaların,fotografın çok ötesinde herkesin(isteyenlerin) faydalanabileceği bir bilimsel çalışma niteliğinde idi.Bu patavatsızlığa destek olan eski üye arkadaşın da seni karaladığı davranışları esasında kendisinin uyguladığını çok iyi biliyorum,burada örnek vermek istemiyorum.Bugünlük bundan başka karene yorum yapmak içimden gelmiyor,durumu geç farkettiğime de üzüldüm.Tek tesellim tekrar fotograf yüklemeye başlaman,aradaki farkı kısa sürede kapatacağına eminim.

Merhaba Bayram hocam,
En çok yakalamak istediğim anlardan biri yakalamışsınız.
elinize sağlık

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